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YourRainyDayBookStore



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject: In the Name Title: What Will Stop The Search Engines? Reply with quote

In another recent post a mentioned was made that using a dash ~ plus other "things" in the Name Title can stop search engines. Would that be all forms of a dash? Something was also mentioned about using & which will change its appearance or . . . Confused

Before I list too many items I would like to ask if there other non-word markings that are best not to use in the Name Title.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about ~ but I do know that a / is a killer!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are words and characters that are consider "stop" words and charcaters. I think the word "stop" may be a bit confusing. In normal circumstanses they don't actually stop anything.

Lets consider this first:

Stop characters

Certain characters, such as ampersand (&), equals sign (=), and question mark (?), when in a web page's URL, tip off a search engine that the page in question is dynamic. Search engines are cautious of indexing dynamic pages for fear of spider traps, thus pages that contain stop characters in their URL run the risk of not getting indexed and becoming part of the "Invisible Web." Google won't crawl more than one dynamic level deep. So dynamic pages with stop characters in its URL should get indexed if a static page links to it. Eliminating stop characters from all URLs on your site will go a long way in ensuring that your entire site gets indexed by Google.


It's kind of hard to explain but certain characters in HTML and PHP often show in a browser if funny ways. For instance the (&) character may display as this ('s) .If your using this character in coding it's necessary to write it like this (&) to correctly display the and (&) charcater. In addition, search engines may skip these characters and cause a title or discription to take on a completely different meaning in some cases. While using these character wont "stop" a search engine it's recommeded they be avoided when possible.

I'll try to give an example. Let's say you sell gold and silver jewlery. If you write it Gold & Silver or Gold/Silver, to Google is would appear as Gold'sSilver or GoldSilver. If you spelling it out Gold and Silver then Google will read and understand GOLD and SILVER.

Some people will use characters like ~ in the titles and discriptions. This is just wasting a character or at worst causing confusion:


Example:

~New~ Gold/Siler Woman's Necklace~Herringbone! While we can look at this and understand it, to Google it will read :newgoldsilver woman'snecklaceherringbone. By avoiding the character it will make more sense.We could write it like this: New Woman's Herringbone Design Gold and Siver Necklace.

While it's necseeasy to use proper punctuation, use of other unnecessary characters should be limited or avoided.


Stop words

Certain words, such as "and", "the," "a", "an," "of," "on" and "with," are so common and meaningless that a search engine won't bother including them in their index, or database, of web page content. So in effect, the stop words on your web pages are ignored as if those words weren't on your pages in the first place. Including a lot of stop words in your title tag waters down the title tag's keyword density.

This mainly refers to writting your meta title tag and key words. Most recommed using a limited number of charaters in these. If you use lots of "stop" words you are ,in affect, wasting space.

Example :

Aspencounty: Offering gold and silver jewelery with many designs to choose from with the best selection on the web.

As you see here I used 6 "stop" word and 19 characters.

It's ok and may be btter to break this up a bit:

Example:

Aspencounty: Offering gold, silver jewelery. Many designs. Best selection. Best prices anywhere.

In this example I avoided the use of "stop" words and saved 19 characters while still saying the same thing.

The same applies to your keywords. Most recommend they be separated with a comma (,).

New and used, gold and silver jewelery, men's and woman's.

New, used, gold, silver, jewelery, men's, woman's

While this is the traditional way of thinking there are even some that suggest not even separating them with a comma (,) but just by spacing them. The theory is by not using commas, the search engines can arrange them in several different combinations and phrases. Personally I haven't leaned toward this idea yet.

Hope I didn't make this more confusing that it already is Shocked
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YourRainyDayBookStore



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some people will use characters like ~ in the titles and discriptions. This is just wasting a character or at worst causing confusion:

Example:

~New~ Gold/Siler Woman's Necklace~Herringbone! While we can look at this and understand it, to Google it will read :newgoldsilver woman'snecklaceherringbone. By avoiding the character it will make more sense.We could write it like this: New Woman's Herringbone Design Gold and Siver Necklace.

While it's necseeasy to use proper punctuation, use of other unnecessary characters should be limited or avoided.


Thank you for taking the time to share this information as it will be of interest to everyone!
I have been using ~ and will now need to change all my listings so it is a lesson I will remember! Smile
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HandcraftedDollsbyLu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for this information aspen, I was wondering about this as I use dashes a lot, as in one-of-a-kind. So, it seems best to omit the dashes, but will the engines only see, one of kind? Will this make sense? It's still a little confusing to me! So, if I say, doll with matching quilt, the with is ignored? So much to learn, so little time!! Thank you again!

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aspencounty



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HandcraftedDollsbyLu wrote:
Thank you so much for this information aspen, I was wondering about this as I use dashes a lot, as in one-of-a-kind. So, it seems best to omit the dashes, but will the engines only see, one of kind? Will this make sense? It's still a little confusing to me! So, if I say, doll with matching quilt, the with is ignored? So much to learn, so little time!! Thank you again!

Lu


It is hard to make sense of this sometimes. Use of hyphenated words and punctuation are necessary so we (humans) can read and understand things properly. I guess what's important to remember is that search engines, like Google, are nothing more than a computer and "see" things differently than we do.

In your example "doll with matching quilt" . That's necessary so it's will make sense when we read it. Google is doing a "keyword comparision" so the important words to Google (a computer algorithm) are the key words doll, matching, quilt. In the computers "mind" the word "with" is so commonly used it doesn't see it as important.

All this doesn't mean on our sites we should stop using certain words all together. If we did, it would impossible to communicate.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HandcraftedDollsbyLu wrote:
but will the engines only see, one of kind?


I think it will but, then again, if someone is searching at Google for "one of a kind" I'm pretty sure it ignores the "a" then too so it'll find your pages.

Is that right, Aspen? Thanks again for all the great info.
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HandcraftedDollsbyLu



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you aspen and poopsheet, you are both always so nice and very helpful and informative. I sure do appreciate it as I can use all of the help I can get. I'm going to change my titles, most of them do have dashes and &, to say Ann & Andy, and many /, which I have been using to say w/ quilt so as to fit more into the title. I know now this is a bad idea! I was starting to get discouraged with only one sale so far, my dolls always sold very well at the craft shows I went to, but I'm beginning to see that selling online is very much different. I'm hoping that fixing the titles will help. I'm trying to do all I can to promote. Have a great day.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Stop Words Reply with quote

Stop Words
Most Search Engines do not consider extremely common words in order to save disk space or to speed up search results. These filtered words are known as 'Stop Words'.

Below is a comprehensive list of words Ignored by Search Engines.
Copy and paste them to a word document and print them out for reference.

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about
above
abroad
according
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The terminology is confusing. I don't think the words in the above list are "stop words" in the sense that they will cause the spiders to go no further. The list above is of words the search engines will technically ignore. But I do believe that if you search many of them in combination with another word or words you'll still be able to find them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: stop words Reply with quote

These "Stop Words" are only for reference. I would advise that you don't use them in your item title line. It is almost impossible not to use them somewhere in your description. Maybe this is less confusing than the previous.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: I'm Dead in the Water Then Reply with quote

Cute as a Bug already has two no no's!

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